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    Janet Mozelewski
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    Hello,

    I am sorry if this is butting in to the ongoing Brexit debate but I don’t do politics on Forums. I only decided to post this in order to alert members here to the situation which arose from placing an ad in the classifieds.

    Some time ago we listed our trailer. We duly had a response. Now we have sold many things successfully on classifieds before both here and elsewhere. No problems apart from the obvious time-wasters and normal irritations with spammers etc. C’est la vie. Some of our clients have had situations which wouldn’t be regarded as ‘normal’ simply because they move around a lot. So when this guy said he was doing the same and would like to pay by cheque and then send someone to collect the trailer for him we went along with it in principle. We had sold a car before, from this website, the buyer collecting it from the ferry port in Caen. So we would see how it went and make some checks as we went along. The trailer is listed at 200 euros.

    We got a check through the post for 2500 euros. Written on a Bank cheque from a BNP Paribas branch on the outskirts of Paris. Nothing was included. The signature looked generic. Now we were expecting a few cheques and this got us a bit confused at first. Also, we once had a BNP mortgage and it flitted across our mind it was something to do with that. Hope springs eternal and all that, and its also easy to slip into wishful thinking territory and tell yourself it could be a windfall, some kind of refund we weren’t expecting.

    We didn’t pay it into the bank, but rang up Britline instead and asked for advice…we’d heard of cheque overpayment fraud. Wherein the ‘buyer’ issues a cheque for more than the amount due, says its a mistake, asks you to wait until its cleared and then refund the difference. Of course within a 60 day window a bank can reject a cheque even if it has cleared to begin with. So then the victim is landed with a debt.

    As this happened as a direct result of a classified placed here I wanted to flag it up just as a reminder to be careful. I don’t do victim blaming either. People can get confused, especially if they are expecting something else to arrive. Or else they are honest themselves and therefore believe things that are fed to them bit by bit because they wouldn’t dream of spinning such a yarn themselves. Its only looking back sometimes that it all fits into place as a rigmarole of lies.

    This guy gave an address …checking it threw up a hotel in Aberdeen. The letter came from there. (He moved around a lot because ‘he was in the film industry’ B-)

    Anyway…there it is. Its always a good idea to share information when this kind of stuff is going around (which is more or less constantly these days.)

    I wonder how long it will take for this to be all because of Brexit. :wacko:  

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    David Atkinson
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    Thank you for the warning Janet, much appreciated.

    It’s not the first time we’ve heard of things like this happening and unfortunately it probably wont be the last but because posts like yours keep people informed of the dodgy deals doing the rounds we’re more alert and able to identify a potential scam, hopefully before we’ve fallen for it.

     

    Thank you again for the ‘heads up’.

     

     

     

     

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    Sue
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    Had the same thing happen twice but didn’t pursue with the sale once they wanted to send extra funds for delivery, they were definitely scammers.

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    itralS
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    Just had one of these scam enquiries,  after the ebike I’m selling on here,

    email said they wanted more pictures sending, price ok but as they were sending an agent to pick up the item they would send extra funds by cheque to cover it.  yeah right

    has  a username of Jambutt1000 on here

    @wizard  can you delete their account?

     

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    jonnie
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    Brexit is a bigger scam with some people expecting to make millions…

     

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    Michael Gibson
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    A tad unnecessary, Jonnie, particularly given the OP’s opening sentence.

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    Janet Mozelewski
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    An update:

    As requested by Britline we sent them a copy of the ‘cheque’  to forward to BNP. Had a call back from them to say the cheque was ‘wrong’ in about six different ways and the particulars of the branch in question had been modified.

    It looked like a bona fide pre-printed bank check and was very professional to the lay persons eye. So I presume there are plenty more where this one came from.

    We had a message from Mr ‘Attwenger’ and he was anxious for us to tell him when it had cleared. The difference was for ‘logistics’ he said. Dear me.  :negative:

    Will probably keep the trailer now…not worth the grief. We were only selling because we changed our car and no longer had a tow bar.

     

     

     

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    The Remainer
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    A tad unnecessary, Jonnie, particularly given the OP’s opening sentence.

     

    jonnie speaks the truth.  Dozens of high flyers have worked out ways to cash in on Brexit.  Brexiteers choose to ignore it and rush even faster toward oblivion.   :wacko:

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    Janet Mozelewski
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    What a load of absolute and utter tosh. ‘High Flyers’ make money out of everything….and people like Jonnie presumeably bore the backside off everyone by having a hissy fit about it.  Recession, boom, the EU, Brexit, banking crisis, blah blah blah. (The ‘High flying’ Kinnock family have been coining an absolute fortune by using their common sense by making money out of the EU while the sun shone. ) I have no problem with anyone making money by taking advantage of  whatever situation is current…we should all be better served by striving to do the same. You know the ‘Got lemons? Make lemonade’ philosophy…..As long as it isn’t illegal. It beats the hell out of bleating and whinging. Meanwhile, Mr Attwenger will be trying to make money out of unsuspecting individuals whether they are pro Brexit. pro remain or whatever….and that IS most definitely illegal. Hence my initial post. I won’t post here again its too zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I guess that is why it is dead. Just wanted to reach out and help stop M. Attwenger and his ilk from causing misery.   :bye:

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    The Remainer
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    Yes, high flyers do make money out of everything but they don’t always pay to influence the outcome of a referendum like has come to light recently.  It has also been revealed that a lot of the Leave campaign was illegally funded.   Apart from the lies that were funded to influence people this should have made the vote null and void.   Apparently Cambridge Analytica were also feeding at the trough so the whole thing stinks.  Hard line knuckle dragging racist Brexiteers can neither see nor accept what they have done.  The Brexit trolls that have polluted most of today’s forums will be very quiet when the truth hits them in the wallet.

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    clint
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    Janet you say its ok to make money as long as its legal but it’s the transfering of wealth from poor to the rich which includes your pension through unfunded liabilities that people don’t like. To simplify today’s financial crisis is all because of deregulation of the Financial sector. It’s happened before,ten years before 1929 crash, and I think it was 1931 the US government confiscated everyones gold for cash and everyone who had that cash lost 70 percent as the money they had in exchange was devalued,and the price of gold was also hiked up that was legal as well Janet .
    six trillion plus, has been taken from your pensions call me harsh, but I dont like that, one day pension payments will be reduced because there is no money left,you see years ago a group of bankers got together and said why don’t we create money out of thin air and charge interest to such a degree that it will inflate house prices and as long as wages go up everything will be fine but since debt is going vertical and wages have flat lined the ability for people and Governments to repay is getting less to the point that default is 2yrs max away. Uk is 10 x bankrupt even more than usa and japan in percentage terms,the uk is like venezuela but without the oil the only reason we haven’t defaulted yet is because other country store their cash in Englands finacial centre more than any other country in history infact .Doubtless the trolls will now descend to ridicule but research yourself a lot of this information is going off the net now don’t suffer from delusion which is the UK personified.

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    Marmite
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    IN this day and age we are all becoming increasingly aware of being “taken for a ride”.

    in my experience  if it doesn’t smell good..it isn’t!

     

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    Chapeau rouge
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    I’m constantly amazed – and amused – at the nonsense which arrives in my inbox and which are clearly scams, attempts at fraud, trickery of some sort to hopefully wrest a few euros from naive or gullible people.  Most of us ignore and delete suspicious mails, and NEVER open attachments which can often cause havoc to our computer systems.

    Have had, from time to time, an odd mail in very poor English with a nonsense heading purporting to come from a friend whose name always appears as a sort of anagram!  The messages usually say nothing more than “quik, you gonna love my   specil bargins” or some such pidgin English, and always with a couple of attachments.  The whole thing, because it’s from a completely unknown source,  we  immediately delete without opening the attachments, and then delete again from the trash bin.

    BUT yesterday was very different.  The wonderful mastermind (he says”Hacker” )  has now announced himself as a blackmailer – and a very bad one – but unfortunately the rambling mail might just catch someone  off guard or might cause unnecessary anxiety and concern.  There were two attachments and this time accompanied by a long rambling mail in French.  It seems that this “person” is tired of playing a waiting game!  He or she has stated that we have enjoyed the “many porn videos” (presumably the deleted and risky attachments? Who knows?) :yahoo: which have been sent, but now we need to  know that the sender has infiltrated our “system” and our “accounts”. He warns they are “able to operate” through our computer since they are “proficient hackers”. To avoid our parents (long deceased) and colleagues (long departed) and family and friends from receiving copies of these items and thus knowing that we “watch porn” …….we need to pay the sum of €570 without delay to a special address which will be provided. We were relieved to hear that the writer feels that  this sum is “one that is reasonable” BUT he doesn’t want the money in ordinary legal tender. Oh no, we need to ensure that this is paid over in Bitcoins!!!!!   :wacko:

    We completely lost the plot at “Bitcoins”. :yahoo:  Sorry, only just getting to grips with Euros.  The mail and attachments were deleted, as before, but not sure that this will be the end of these mails.  I suppose it depends on how many big bags of Bitcoins are collected.  Maybe next time he’ll ask for gold bars or guineas. Watch this space!

    Small note @bluevelvet.  If you are reading this – only two more sleeps before your new life!  Deep breath, good luck! x

     

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    Blue Velvet
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    What a wonderful crazy communication you’ve had!  Does this idiot have any idea on the cost of a Bitcoin!!  Because if  that’s the current rate I’ll have a few!

    :yahoo:   CR.  Just ! Yes I’m breathing calmly !

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    Marmite
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    Bv can you share?

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